unforgivable to tap the phone of a murdered schoolgirl or the phones of relatives of troops killed in iraq or afghanistan and murdock would not have tolerated it. i'm afraid that -- >> i'm soer are. i when you think about what was done and the despicable things done, do you think he made the right call of just canceling it? it's done? >> it's a very difficult call because it's a very old historic paper which has a very great history, though it has committed abuses in the past like all tabloids do, but it's also exposed a lot of fraud and misdeeds, most recently it exposed corruption in the pakistani cricket team which was an important story. it's very sad. it's sad for also for the 200 people who work there, frightful for them. many of them will be given jobs in other news of murdock's papers in london. and he probably will have a new sunday paper calling "the sun" on paper to go along with the daily paper in britain. >> some were wondering, i was reading a lot of articles on this, if rupert murdock was at all responsible, maybe in a trickle down effect of kind of creating an atmosphere where people will